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Jan. 6 hearing live updates: Cassidy Hutchinson to testify


  • Hutchinson described Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani and House Republicans holding strategy sessions.
  • At least five House Republicans sought pardons, according to Hutchinson.
  • Meadows used encrypted Signal communications and reportedly burned documents after meetings.

WASHINGTON–The House committee investigating the Capitol attack Jan. 6, 2021, is holding an abruptly scheduled hearing Tuesday with testimony from former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson and “recently obtained evidence.”

  • 🎙️ Who is testifying? Hutchinson, an assistant to former chief of staff Mark Meadows, has been a key witness in taped statements about lawmakers meeting with former President Donald Trump to discuss how to challenge 2020 election results, lawmakers asking for pardons and reportedly how Meadows burned papers in his office after meeting with a lawmaker.
  • 📚What subjects will the hearing cover?: The committee will focus on “firsthand observations” by Hutchinson in the White House on Jan. 5 and 6.
  • 📺 How to watch the January 6 hearings: Watch a livestream at usatoday.comalong with other media outlets.

What we know about today’s hearing:Jan. 6 hearing Tuesday will reveal ‘recently obtained’ evidence. Here’s what we know.

Cassidy Hutchinson, aide to former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, before testifying before the House Select January 6 committee the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the US Capitol, Tuesday, June 28, 2022, at the Capitol in Washington .

Who is Cassidy Hutchinson?

Hutchinson was a special assistant to the president for legislative affairs and aid to Meadows. She told the panel she attended key meetings and often knew about meetings involving Trump and Meadows.

“Almost all, if not all, meetings Mr. Trump had, I had insight on,” Hutchinson told the panel.

Hutchinson described White House strategy sessions where lawmakers discussed how to reject electors from specific states. She said how Meadows communicated with encrypted applications such as Signal. She said Meadows burned documents in his office fireplace after meeting with Rep. Scott Perry, R-Pa., according to reports in New York Times and Political.

And Hutchinson said Meadows described Trump as speaking approvingly of rioters chanting “Hang Mike Pence” while ransacking the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Trump denied using the phrase. Meadows has challenged a committee subpoena to testify, and the House cited him for contempt.

A video of Cassidy Hutchinson, an aid to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, is shown during the House Jan. 6 committee on June 23.

What did Hutchinson say about White House meetings with lawmakers?

Hutchinson named the lawyers and lawmakers who met repeatedly with White House officials during December to challenge voters in several states Trump lost.

She said the strategy sessions in person and by phone included Reps. Andy Biggs of Arizona, Mo Brooks of Alabama, Matt Gaetz of Florida, Louie Gohmert of Texas, Paul Gosar of Arizona, Jody Hice of Georgia, Jim Jordan of Ohio, Debbie Lesko of Arizona and Perry.

Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala., speaks on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington at the

What did Hutchinson say about fake voters?

Trump’s lawyer John Eastman proposed a scheme for seven states President Joe Biden won to submit alternate sets of electors to Congress, to potentially delay certification of the results or overturn the election.

After White House officials met with advisers outside the executive branch, such as Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, Hutchinson said the White House counsel’s office called the strategy “not legally sound,” according to one of her depositions.

She said the counsel office’s guidance ran along the lines of: “That’s not legal, we’re not putting ourselves in that line of fire” or “Don’t raise that to Mr. Trump, it’s not appropriate, and it’s not a legal theory we want to entertain right now.”

Former Trump campaign lawyer Rudy Giuliani is seen on a screen during a hearing by the Select Committee to Investigate the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol on June 13, 2022, in Washington.

What has Hutchinson said about pardons?

Hutchinson described in videotaped testimony Thursday how lawmakers who attended the meeting Dec. 21, 2020, such as Biggs, Brooks, Gaetz, Gohmert and Perry, sought pardons.

John McEntee, former director of the White House presidential personnel office, also described Trump as considering a blanket pardon. And Eric Herschmann, a former White House lawyer, said there was a general discussion of pardons for those who defended Trump.




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